My interview with Allan Pimentel, jazz musician and psychotherapist for over 25 years. Allan is a member of the management committee of CCPE, the largest transpersonal training institute in the UK. In the interview Allan chats about the history of CCPE, which recently celebrated 30 years of being a training institute, how he became a therapist and about his time as an artist-in-residence at the Esalen Institute, California.